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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / February 2006Version Tracker updates not readable.....
I get a weekly Version Tracker update (in HTML), a listing I choose to get. It is normally OK, and the View in browser option works OK. Unless they send the list over two pages, and then I get two emails of raw HTML code, and it cannot be sent to the browser. I know that HTMl in Eudora ain't the best, but I'd like to be able to force it to send it somewhere else if possible. (It also won't send any imported HTML mails to a browser either). Any ways around this?  SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > I get a weekly Version Tracker update (in HTML), a listing I choose to > get. I know you have this preference for HTML versions, but I get the text one and it works very well. I am not sure why you would want the HTML one, but that's your business. > It is normally OK, and the View in browser option works OK. Unless they > send the list over two pages, and then I get two emails of raw HTML [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Any ways around this? It's odd, as Eudora in every version I can remember, including this one, has no difficulty finding a browser to display the HTML in. Is Safari on your system? It usually defaults to that unless you removed Safari. Have you tried setting things with Misfox? Free and good, and available at versiontracker. Possibly it's a Eudora settings thing, and I'll bet someone else can tell you where to go looking for that rather than my poking about for it. Rifty SignatureAcademic and Computing Help http://rifty.net > > It is normally OK, and the View in browser option works OK. Unless they > > send the list over two pages, and then I get two emails of raw HTML > > code, and it cannot be sent to the browser. Select both messages, choose "save as" from the file menu, save with a ".html" extension. Then you can open it in your browser. Less convenient than "open in browser" though. > > > > It is normally OK, and the View in browser option works OK. Unless they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ".html" extension. Then you can open it in your browser. Less > convenient than "open in browser" though. I thought of that, but TBH, I'd just cancel the subscription if it was that much bother, it's easier just to go to their web site. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > > I get a weekly Version Tracker update (in HTML), a listing I choose to > > get. > > I know you have this preference for HTML versions, but I get the text > one and it works very well. I am not sure why you would want the HTML > one, but that's your business. Indeed, I find they work for me most of the time, and the sensible HTML messages (such as from TidBits, or VT) don't have that much extra file size. In the meantime I have switched to the text version. > > It is normally OK, and the View in browser option works OK. Unless they > > send the list over two pages, and then I get two emails of raw HTML [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > someone else can tell you where to go looking for that rather than my > poking about for it. Yes, I use Safari, but Eudora doesn't even allow the option as the menu item is greyed out. I tried some of the old Scripts on Andrew Starrs web site, but they are too out of date now, and don't even run. (And of course I forgot to mention I'm on OS 10.4.4, and Eudora 6.2.3 in Sponsored mode). Thanks for the reply anyway. Cheers. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > Yes, I use Safari, but Eudora doesn't even allow the option as the menu > item is greyed out. The problem is that it is so big that Eudora made it into two messages, and therefore any single one is not valid for web browser viewing. > > Yes, I use Safari, but Eudora doesn't even allow the option as the menu > > item is greyed out. > > The problem is that it is so big that Eudora made it into two messages, > and therefore any single one is not valid for web browser viewing. Ah, right, I wasn't sure why it was in two files. So, why would Eudora do that though. Surely with 1.5Gb of RAM, and 82Gb of free HD space, it has absolutely no need to do this? There certainly isn't a preference setting for this. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > I wasn't sure why it was in two files. So, why would Eudora > do that though. Surely with 1.5Gb of RAM, and 82Gb of free HD space, it > has absolutely no need to do this? There certainly isn't a preference > setting for this. This is an artifact of the days when Eudora couldn't display more than 32K of text in a single window. If you've been using Eudora for a long time (since like version 3 or 4), then your Settings file most likely still has the parameters set to split messages once they get over 32K or so. You might want to play around with the following x-eudora-settings: <x-eudora-setting:6408> Size of fragments of split messages. Must be less than <x-eudora-setting:7619>. <x-eudora-setting:7619> Size at which a message must be split. Must be greater than <x-eudora-setting:6408>. SignatureJulian Y. Koh <mailto:kohster@northwestern.edu> Network Engineer <phone:847-467-5780> Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University PGP Public Key:<http://bunnytoaster.nsg.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > <x-eudora-setting:7619> Size at which a message must be split. Must be > greater than <x-eudora-setting:6408>. Thanks for that, I'll try upping them a bit and see what that does. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > I get a weekly Version Tracker update (in HTML), a listing I choose to > get. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Any ways around this? Hi, I am a versiontracker pro subscriber too and I prefer "text only" mails/alerts etc via my preferences. In fact, I opt in for "text only" mail everywhere I can. That is a lifesaver for my tiny Sony K700i Cell Phone mail client too. Of course GPRS bills are lower. If I used OS X Mail.app or even Eudora 7 OS X (which uses os x html rendering) ships "magically", I would do the same, text only. Versiontracker mails/alerts etc are designed to "inform you" and you can really live without their cool logo :) If you actually use it to its limits (btw free users can get up to 10 alerts), the mail traffic and mails from there should better be really be text. After 10.4.x OS X shipped and after first batch of real Mactels shipped, I had like 10-15 mails from versiontracker product alerts. You understand what I mean by "text only preferred" :) Another thing is, did you ever notice "Spy guy" on HTML mails when read by Eudora? Especially large companies use them. That is "tracking gif". That is an underrated feature of Eudora. With that gif and its unique number etc, they (websites) actually track when their mail is read, how much time spent on mail etc. I must thank Eudora to teach me that HTML mail (except basic stuff, bold, etc) should not exist. Ilgaz -- my contact mail is ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com ,not spamcop.net [Snipped Text] > > Any ways around this? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > mail everywhere I can. That is a lifesaver for my tiny Sony K700i Cell > Phone mail client too. Of course GPRS bills are lower. I have no bandwidth restriction for my needs, nor any real concern about the extra disk space used either. > If I used OS X Mail.app or even Eudora 7 OS X (which uses os x html > rendering) ships "magically", I would do the same, text only. Eudora 7??? On the Mac! Not according to the Eudora web site, that states 'Windows Only'. > Versiontracker mails/alerts etc are designed to "inform you" and you > can really live without their cool logo :) If you actually use it to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > shipped, I had like 10-15 mails from versiontracker product alerts. You > understand what I mean by "text only preferred" :) Yes, I do, and if you read the rest of this thread (which isn't very long), you'll see that I've already done this. > Another thing is, did you ever notice "Spy guy" on HTML mails when read > by Eudora? Especially large companies use them. That is "tracking gif". > That is an underrated feature of Eudora. With that gif and its unique > number etc, they (websites) actually track when their mail is read, how > much time spent on mail etc. I use a double Firewall, NIDS and Little Snitch, so not a lot gets in or out without me knowing. I do at least have the sense to turn off HTML graphics. I don't use Eudora to read my HTML mail, I only use it to receive them. I use my browser to view them - which, as you kindly point out below, is where they belong. It is this feature that is broken, I have already accepted that Eudora does not do HTML properly. > I must thank Eudora to teach me that HTML mail (except basic stuff, > bold, etc) should not exist. Getting into a HTML in mail argument isn't what I was looking for really, especially as I'm not even asking about viewing HTML within Eudora itself. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > I do at least have the sense to turn off HTML graphics. I don't use > Eudora to read my HTML mail, I only use it to receive them. I use my > browser to view them - which, as you kindly point out below, is where > they belong. It is this feature that is broken, I have already accepted > that Eudora does not do HTML properly. Just a thought. When I went from v.3.1.3 to v.6.1, 6.1 wouldn't open my old, 3.1.3, HTML mails in the browser. From memory, the change was that the 'new' 6.1 HTML mails had this line in the headers (not wrapped): <x-html><!x-stuff-for-pete base="" src="" id="0" charset="iso-8859-1/macintosh"> If I used an editor to bung that line into the headers (TextWrangler- you know it's free these days?), Eudora would display them in the browser. This was true in both sys 9.0.4 and sys 10.2.6 (at the time). Maybe 6.3 (?) has made some similar change? It would've been nice to be warned, though. SignaturePeter > > I do at least have the sense to turn off HTML graphics. I don't use > > Eudora to read my HTML mail, I only use it to receive them. I use my [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you know it's free these days?), Eudora would display them in the > browser. This was true in both sys 9.0.4 and sys 10.2.6 (at the time). Yes, I have TextWrangler, and that is of course a good idea. > Maybe 6.3 (?) has made some similar change? It would've been nice to be > warned, though. Indeed. I also seem to remember that the one of the releases blatantly advertised HTML mail reading as a new feature. That has quietly dissappearred too. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > [Snipped Text] > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I have no bandwidth restriction for my needs, nor any real concern about > the extra disk space used either. Well, it is not just disk or bandwidth. We are speaking spesifically about Versiontracker here. It is a information service, free or paid. Their mail is generally a version update or developer note (I use both). Their HTML/CSS team uses the technology to its limits for website trying to abide standards which is good. The problem is mails sent as HTML by default and also have "text" option. The "alert" I get is this here, as I opted for text only: __ Product Updates: ============================================================================== Java Embedding Plugin 0.9.5+c (Freeware) use latest Java in non-Safari browsers <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23790> Installed on: Ilgaz ___ I don't think it can give me "better" information or "better functionality" if it was HTML. If I was a windows user, with IE HTML engine running, I would opt in for Eudora's own html rendering which is exactly like Mac version, broken but safe :) So it would appear broken. >> If I used OS X Mail.app or even Eudora 7 OS X (which uses os x html >> rendering) ships "magically", I would do the same, text only. > > Eudora 7??? On the Mac! > > Not according to the Eudora web site, that states 'Windows Only'. Well I mean this: Qualcomm gives a clue about mac version which will have "built in spotlight support" or "spotlight compatible files" and OS X Webkit rendering which you can count as Safari. I say, even it ships tomorrow, I will be opting in for text only mail wherever I can. >> Versiontracker mails/alerts etc are designed to "inform you" and you >> can really live without their cool logo :) If you actually use it to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I use a double Firewall, NIDS and Little Snitch, so not a lot gets in or > out without me knowing. These utilities can't "protect" you from getting tracked. That is the "magic" about the famous invisible gif. The "little spy guys" Eudora funnily alerts about are huge power in spammers hand. Or commercial sites still spy you with their documented policies. :) Invisible gif is something like "curioussite.com/clear.gif?andyhewitt" inside mail addressed to you. For me, it becomes curioussite.com/clear.gif?ilgaz_ocal by the very advanced mailer/statistics server they use. So as a browser is _designed_ to fetch stuff from HTML references, even if you have Checkpoint 1 spec carrying firewall, that evil gif or whatever is still fetched from site. Can be prevented but it is on whole web, who will you block? :) Apple? An example (Be sure to admire the excellent term usage of Apple as usual) http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/ Pixel tags also enable us to send email messages in a format customers can read. And they tell us whether emails have been opened to assure that we’re only sending messages that are of interest to our customers. We store all of this information in a secure database located in Cupertino, California, in the United States. It is the thing I speak about. Just became "pixel tag" > I do at least have the sense to turn off HTML graphics. I don't use > Eudora to read my HTML mail, I only use it to receive them. I use my > browser to view them - which, as you kindly point out below, is where > they belong. It is this feature that is broken, I have already accepted > that Eudora does not do HTML properly. I always compare Eudora to Microsoft Outlook (not express!). Microsoft Outlook does have similar attitude against HTML mail. If it is "rich text like", like bold, colour etc , it will render. Even Microsoft does not suggest HTML mail anymore. >> I must thank Eudora to teach me that HTML mail (except basic stuff, >> bold, etc) should not exist. > > Getting into a HTML in mail argument isn't what I was looking for > really, especially as I'm not even asking about viewing HTML within > Eudora itself. Eudora can run Applescript in every aspect yes? I am never into the UI languages but a plugin could be developed for Eudora which uses Apple Webkit Framework to simply render the message in some window. Eudora can not invoke an application as a result of filter? That could be lifesaver. Like "if it comes from versiontracker, open in browser" Sorry if I misunderstood your post. I just wanted to give information why HTML mail is even worse than RTF mail. Ilgaz Signaturenotice the change in e mail address. [Snipped Text] [Snipped Text] > I don't think it can give me "better" information or "better > functionality" if it was HTML. If I was a windows user, with IE HTML > engine running, I would opt in for Eudora's own html rendering which is > exactly like Mac version, broken but safe :) So it would appear broken. I see, well I don't have the Pro version here, I just get the weekly updates listing. [Snipped Text] > > I use a double Firewall, NIDS and Little Snitch, so not a lot gets in or > > out without me knowing. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > site. Can be prevented but it is on whole web, who will you block? :) > Apple? I see, I've actually seen those - ClamXav picks those up quite well. > An example (Be sure to admire the excellent term usage of Apple as usual) > http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/ [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cupertino, California, in the United States. > It is the thing I speak about. Just became "pixel tag" I take this only applies if you're online at the time you actually read the message? > > I do at least have the sense to turn off HTML graphics. I don't use > > Eudora to read my HTML mail, I only use it to receive them. I use my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > text like", like bold, colour etc , it will render. Even Microsoft does > not suggest HTML mail anymore. I'm not surprised there, they couldn't get it to work properly either, and they also wanted to start their own standards. > >> I must thank Eudora to teach me that HTML mail (except basic stuff, > >> bold, etc) should not exist. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Sorry if I misunderstood your post. I just wanted to give information > why HTML mail is even worse than RTF mail. Er yes, we've been there with that one many times. Personally I would never send a HTML mail to anybody else, I just want to read the HTML mail that *I* choose to receive. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) > > Pixel tags also enable us to send email messages in a format customers > > can read. And they tell us whether emails have been opened to assure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I take this only applies if you're online at the time you actually read > the message? I *think* that mostly it tells them if the single pixel gifs have been downloaded, which in turn tells them if the mail has been processed by an application that calls the original graphic i.e an HTML reader of some kind. Either you have downloaded it initially, or when you open it your app fetches it. Only in the second case do you have to be on line as you read it. And of course it does give your IP address. In the case of Apple, I don't care. In the case of spammers (easy to spot) I have Eudora set not to download HTML graphics and never open their stuff in the browser before deleting it. SignaturePeter > > > Pixel tags also enable us to send email messages in a format customers > > > can read. And they tell us whether emails have been opened to assure [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > spot) I have Eudora set not to download HTML graphics and never open > their stuff in the browser before deleting it. Yes, that's what I do, I only open HTML mail from senders that *I* choose. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) <http://andyhewitt.webhop.net/> (updated Jan 2006) |
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