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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / October 2007HELP! In box contents have vanished
OK, I've scoured the old posts, and even searched thru Google for any info, and all I find are a few similar cases on Windoze machines. First, I'm on a 733 MHz QuickSilver G4 running 10.3.9 w/640 MB RAM, and using Eudora (ad version) 6.2.3. This version this machine for several months, and nothing's been changed recently. I was checking my mail (3rd or 4th time/day), and Eudora was happily downloading about 25 'normal' sized e-mails. All of a sudden, the app crashed. When I re-started, it did NOT ask to rebuild the toc (which has happened in the past) Instead, Eudora merrily opens an EMPTY in box! ALL of my in box e-mails are GONE! After reading the Eudora Forums and searching thru newsgroups, I've reached a few conclusions. First, I should NOT have had 5+ years, and ~10,000+ e-mails in the in box. Second... I should ALWAYS back up important data. Third, I need more RAM. Finally, maybe I should consider Apple's "Mail" program-?? So OK, (before you scold me!) I know (some of) what I did wrong, but is there ANY hope of recovering YEARS of mail that was stored in my in box? I looked at the mbx file, and it was empty. My out box, and other mail boxes, as well as stationery and address book entries, are seemingly intact... just the 'main' in box disappeared. Any suggestions at recovering the old (quite full) mail box would be MUCH appreciated. And I promise to trim it down and manage my in box better. :-) (As well as get more RAM & do more frequent back-ups!) Thanks for any help/suggestions, Tony In article <tonymullerREMOVE-7815B5.22051811102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, > OK, I've scoured the old posts, and even searched thru Google for any > info, and all I find are a few similar cases on Windoze machines. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > happened in the past) Instead, Eudora merrily opens an EMPTY in box! ALL > of my in box e-mails are GONE! ...... > I looked at the mbx file, and it was empty. My out box, and other mail > boxes, as well as stationery and address book entries, are seemingly > intact... just the 'main' in box disappeared. ...... Before you do anything else, look in your Eudora Folder/Spool Folder. Eudora puts a copy of the In and out mailboxes there "In.temp" and "Out.temp". It is possible that they contain some of your messages if they haven't been overwritten. Second: I suppose by "looked at the mbx file" you mean that you made a copy of the file Eudora Folder/Mail Folder/In, and then opened that file with a text editor (TextWrangler, BBedit, vi, etc). If that is what is "empty" I think you are SOL.  SignatureJames Meiss <http://amath.colorado.edu/faculty/jdm> > In article > <tonymullerREMOVE-7815B5.22051811102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > with a text editor (TextWrangler, BBedit, vi, etc). If that is what is > "empty" I think you are SOL. Thanks (to you and Sander) for the suggestions of checking w/a text editor, which I did NOT try. I haven't used Eudora since the 'mishap', so maybe I can salvage something. Fortunately, my OUT box is intact, and I almost always 'copy' any relevant/important info from the original mail, so I do have that. Sander - As for switching away from Eudora, you're right... I suppose I can 'forgive' the app for doing this to me. After all, I was expecting a lot (maybe even being abusive <g>), and should have had backups. (Hmm... isn't that what _everyone_ says, AFTER the fact?!) To all reading this - back up your mailboxes! Seriously, a bit OT, but I'm pretty good around a Mac; presided over a MUG for years, did a bunch of IT work, and friends typically call me when they have a computer problem. I'm reasonably careful and respectful of my computer. Still, this happened to me (& trust me, it's a MESS to lose all that e-mail!) So, yes... while it's quite rare, this could certainly happen to you. Have back-ups! Tony - stepping off the soapbox :-) In article <tonymullerREMOVE-CEFCD2.08143313102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, > > ...... > > Before you do anything else, look in your Eudora Folder/Spool Folder. > > Eudora puts a copy of the In and out mailboxes there "In.temp" and > > "Out.temp". It is possible that they contain some of your messages if > > they haven't been overwritten. Looks like when I re-opened Eudora after the 'mishap', the temp file was overwritten. I think if I had looked at this file _before_ re-starting the app, I might have been able to 'rescue' the original 'in box'. > > Second: I suppose by "looked at the mbx file" you mean that you made a > > copy of the file Eudora Folder/Mail Folder/In, and then opened that file > > with a text editor (TextWrangler, BBedit, vi, etc). If that is what is > > "empty" I think you are SOL. Same overwritten issue here. I suppose i could go in with some sort of recovery tool, and pull up the 'old' version, before the new header (with zero records) wrote over the old one. But I suspect that's going to be more trouble than it's worth. If anyone has any ideas, let me know - otherwise, I've resolved to simply start over. <sigh> Thanks, Tony In article <tonymullerREMOVE-F75B64.09303913102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [...] [Spool folder] > Looks like when I re-opened Eudora after the 'mishap', the temp file was > overwritten. [...] [...] [InBox] > Same overwritten issue here. I suppose i could go in with some sort of > recovery tool, and pull up the 'old' version, before the new header > (with zero records) wrote over the old one. But I suspect that's going > to be more trouble than it's worth. Not entirely impossible that, assuming you did (close to) nothing wiath that 'puter since, the data is still there on disk somehow. If so, you could try with some 'low level' disk editor. Possibly Data Rescue would be of use here. But the more you've since done on that machine, the bigger the chance that the data has been overwritten now. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > In article > <tonymullerREMOVE-F75B64.09303913102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > But the more you've since done on that machine, the bigger the chance > that the data has been overwritten now. I purposely didn't do much, and didn't do _anything_ w/Eudora. However, I've decided the effort to retrieve the mail just isn't worth it. After the initial panic wore off (took a couple of days!) I think I can live w/o the contents of the in-box. Thankfully, the OUT-box is intact, and I generally copy the original mail when replying, so I have that info. So, I'll simply start anew - now that I have back ups of the other mail boxes, of course! :-) Thanks for the help! Tony > As for switching away from Eudora, you're right... I suppose I > can 'forgive' the app for doing this to me. After all, I was expecting a > lot (maybe even being abusive <g>), and should have had backups. (Hmm... > isn't that what _everyone_ says, AFTER the fact?!) To all reading this - > back up your mailboxes! I tend to be careless about backups, but everytime I read a post like this, I at least back up my ~documents/Eudora Folder. Thanks for the reminder--I know I'm overdue. The other backups can keep, but I would really hate to lose my emails. SignatureKathy - read reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> In article <tonymullerREMOVE-7815B5.22051811102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [...] > I've > reached a few conclusions. First, I should NOT have had 5+ years, and > ~10,000+ e-mails in the in box. Second... I should ALWAYS back up > important data. Third, I need more RAM. Agreed so far. > Finally, maybe I should consider > Apple's "Mail" program-?? I don't see how this Eudora problem should lead to that conclusion. Eudora is extremely stable. The fact that you've now had 1 problem (which, if you can't salvage the mail, is really mostly a problem of not backing up) doesn't mean you'll have even less problems with Mail.app. [...] > I looked at the mbx file, and it was empty. *How* did you look? I'd suggest BBEdit (or its freeware version, TextWrangler). SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" In article <tonymullerREMOVE-7815B5.22051811102005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, > So OK, (before you scold me!) I know (some of) what I did wrong, but is > there ANY hope of recovering YEARS of mail that was stored in my in box? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > MUCH appreciated. And I promise to trim it down and manage my in box > better. :-) (As well as get more RAM & do more frequent back-ups!) Do you keep your mail folder in your Eudora Application Folder or elsewhere? anyway do a search on your disk of files whose "name is" In or Out and see if you have two of them. It happens that Eudora looses contact with the original Mail Folder and its content and crated another. In this case you might still have all your old stuff. In this case yoou may click on the setting file of the old folder to see your old stuff. Hopefully |
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