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ariannex13@hotmail.com - 23 Sep 2005 15:55 GMT
I am unsing OS X  ver. 10.2.8 and Eudora 6.2 - I this has been working
satisfactorily until this week. Wondering if I have a virus because...
Yesterday (9/22/05) I opened my In box to look at a message that came
in last week. When I clicked on the message it opened as a long narrow,
horizontal, window, at the top on the window bar the name of the
sender, and date and time is visible and then in the window the subject
field with its contents and that's it, no message. I looked through all
the messages in the In box and found that from Tues (9/20/05) all
message prior were blank like this and messages received since then are
coming in as usual.
I would appreciate recommendations for action. And claryfication in
general around Mac and viruses.
thank you
Peter Ceresole - 23 Sep 2005 17:51 GMT
> I am unsing OS X  ver. 10.2.8 and Eudora 6.2 - I this has been working
> satisfactorily until this week. Wondering if I have a virus because...

Firstly; you don't have a virus. There are still no viruses in the wild
for Macs, only Word macro viruses which don't affect the Mac, but can be
passed on to Windows PeeCees.

It sounds from your description as though you have a corrupted Inbox
file.

It is simply a text file; try opening it in TextEdit and see what it
looks like. All your messages will probably be there, in readable form,
but with their headers and the formatting that enables Eudora to display
them properly.

As a first step, copy the contents of the Inbox file in a safe place;
that's the contents of Documents->Eudora folder->Mail Folder->In and, if
you are using .toc files, In.toc. (That's if your 'Eudora Folder' lives
in 'Documents' which it normally will.) It might be useful to rename
this 'In' file to 'Old in' and if necessary the .toc file to 'Old
in.toc'.

Now a suggestion that you should NOT follow right now; I'd delete the
'In' and 'In.toc' files in the Eudora Folder. When you restart Eudora,
it should recreate a new, empty 'In' mailbox to which, from what you
say, new messages will be added correctly. I suspect this is likely to
work, but I've not tried it. What does the rest of the group think?

It should then be possible to put the 'Old in' file back into the
'Eudora Folder->Mail' folder, open 'Old in' in Eudora in the normal way
and transfer any messages that look okay to the new 'In' mailbox.

As for the messages that look corrupted, apart from reading them in
TextEdit, it might be possible to go through the file and see where the
headers and formatting appear to go wrong- it might be obvious, and
repairable by eye but you're rather on your own there...
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Peter Ceresole - 23 Sep 2005 18:05 GMT
> Now a suggestion that you should NOT follow right now; I'd delete the
> 'In' and 'In.toc' files in the Eudora Folder.

Aaaaaargh! That should read-

"I'd delete the 'In' and 'In.toc' files in the Eudora Folder->Mail
folder."
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Peter

Sander Tekelenburg - 24 Sep 2005 06:43 GMT
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> Now a suggestion that you should NOT follow right now; I'd delete the
> 'In' and 'In.toc' files in the Eudora Folder. When you restart Eudora,
> it should recreate a new, empty 'In' mailbox to which, from what you
> say, new messages will be added correctly. I suspect this is likely to
> work, but I've not tried it. What does the rest of the group think?

Yes, I'd expect that to work.

The best part of it will be that new messages won't be added to the
corrupted mailbox. The OP can then concentrate on fixing the old mailbox
without new mail interfering (and possibly getting lost).

IIRC, simply having Eudora rebuild the mailbox' TOC might fix it. If he
uses 'old style' .toc files, that would mean deleting the .toc file and
then opening the mailbox in Eudora. I don't know who it would work with
'new style TOCs. Maybe just compact the mailbox?

Note to the OP: make sure you do all this mailbox
moving/renaming/deleting while Eudora is not running.

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David Morrison - 26 Nov 2005 06:48 GMT
> As a first step, copy the contents of the Inbox file in a safe place;
> that's the contents of Documents->Eudora folder->Mail Folder->In and, if
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> say, new messages will be added correctly. I suspect this is likely to
> work, but I've not tried it. What does the rest of the group think?

There is one thing that may be an issue with doing this or removing the resource
fork as Bill Cole suggested. This is that the status of the messages may be lost.

The status is the left column of the mailbox display, which shows whether the
message has been opened or not, whether it has been forwarded, redirected or
replied to, etc. You may also lose the coloured label for the message.

If any of this is important to you, make sure you keep a record of the previous
state of the mailbox before you start.

Cheers

David
Bill Cole - 24 Sep 2005 23:32 GMT
> I am unsing OS X  ver. 10.2.8 and Eudora 6.2 - I this has been working
> satisfactorily until this week. Wondering if I have a virus because...
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> general around Mac and viruses.
> thank you

On the virus issue: there is no known virus that infects any version of
MacOS X. It is not inconceivable that you could be one of the first
victims of the first MacOS X virus, but it is extremely unlikely.

Interestingly, I have seen this sort of behavior with Mac Eudora a
couple of years ago, and it did have a virus connection. The source of
the problem was a different sort of "malware" in a sense: the user had
made the very unwise decision to install Norton Anti-Virus and
configured it to watch his email. It did so, but it did so stupidly.
When Norton saw a piece of Windows worm-spew (harmless to a Mac) it
'cleaned' the message but did nothing that would alert Eudora to that
act, and the result was a mangled index to the victim mailbox, and all
mail before the infected message was inaccessible.

The fix was pretty simple: I quit Eudora, wiped every bit of the
pointless Norton garbage off the system, and used ResEdit to remove the
index from the damaged mailbox so that Eudora would re-index it. Worked
perfectly.

I don't know that  the current version of Norton AV or any other AV
still will do that sort of damage to Eudora mailboxes when using 6.x,
but it would not surprise me at all. At present, the only risks on a Mac
from viruses and similar malware are:

1. If you run MS Word and get one of the very rare Word Macro viruses
that isn't Windows-specific.
2. If you run a Windows emulator like VirtualPC and don't run a good AV
program inside it.
3. If someone intentionally sends you one of the 'rootkit' trojan's like
Renepo/Opener and you are gullible enough to run it (complete with an
administrative password challenge...)
4. If you are one of the unfortunate few who get hit by the first real
MacOS X virus, if and when that happens.

Unfortunately, the commercial AV industry has the sort of MacOS
competence one can predict from the fact that there has been no
significant Mac malware threat for over a decade, as their main market
has exploded with new and ever-sneakier vermin. Some have brought the
aggressiveness they need on Windows to the Mac, where they lack the
competence to be that aggressive safely.

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