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Mac Forum / Programming / CodeWarrior / May 2006RIP: CodeWarrior 10 for Mac Finally Gone. 12/93 - 5/06
Well, it has finally passed...or so it seems anyway... Although the web pages http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/default.htm and http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/Mac10.htm are both claiming that it is still available, all links to purchase end up at CodeWarrior online store, which no longer shows CodeWarrior 10 for the Macintosh. It is finished. 12 years of extraordinary greatness killed by Freescale blundering and mismanagement. I think I will remember the good years, when things look bright. If you are still reading these newsgroups, good luck to you fine people who put it all together. In particular, Josef Wankerl, for uncommon courage and dedication to hold it together while the ship was sinking, and for making a final stand to deliver version 10, despite insurmountable odds. And of course MWRon, whose great help will be etched in the annals of this newsgroup and archives. Jonathan Hoyle Amen. Anyone know of any decent IDEs I can run on the mac? And if you tell me xcode, you're getting a swift kick to the balls. >> Anyone know of any decent IDEs I can run on the mac? And if >> you tell me xcode, you're getting a swift kick to the balls. Make it two kicks. Unfortunately, (and far from "decent"), Xcode is the only Mac C++ compiler which builds universal binaries, and for that reason, the only one worth talking about right. If you are not tied to C++ though, there are other alternatives. For Java developers, IDEA by JetBrains [ http://www.jetbrains.com ] is the best out there, with a fairly reasonable user experience. It does run $499 though. For a free Java IDE, Eclipse is not too bad either [ http://www.eclipse.org ]. I am even told that Eclipse will wrap gcc (the compiler on the Mac used for Xcode), so it might possibly give you C++ capabilities too. In any case, your Java code will run natively on Intel (no Rosetta), so it is a do-able approach. For Basic, REALbasic is really very nice. Now, before you poo-poo Basic, remember that REALbasic (like its cousin Visual Basic) is a very mature and powerful development environment. This isn't your father's Basic. Unfortunately, I think the user experience has taken a major step back after the REALbasic 2005 release last summer, so (if you're like me), you'll prefer REALbasic 5.5. The Standard Edition is $99, and the Pro version, which is cross-platform, runs $399. REAL Software has promised to be able to build universal binaries with an upcoming release. There are many other options available for the Mac developer, but in all honesty, none of these compares to CodeWarrior. I am afraid that any choice you make will not be a satisfying one, but what other options do we have? :-( Jonathan Hoyle macCompanion > >> Anyone know of any decent IDEs I can run on the mac? And if > >> you tell me xcode, you're getting a swift kick to the balls. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > compiler which builds universal binaries, and for that reason, the only > one worth talking about right. Xcode is the IDE. The compiler is gcc, which means you can use any IDE you like. Personally, I use Eclipse for everything and prefer it to Xcode. It's fine for any language, although I don't happen to write much Carbon, or any Cocoa, and I don't much use symbolic debuggers, so I can't comment on Eclipse's performance in that area for OS X (debugger works fine on Linux). > If you are not tied to C++ though, there are other alternatives. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Jonathan Hoyle > macCompanion I've used eclipse extensively, and its exactly what codewarrior wasn't: slow, heavy, gold-plated, and weak on what's important. The symbolic debugging (even in java) is rather toyish, the symbolics support was barely usable on a modern mac (1.25 GHz g4, 2gb ram, again, java), and the whole thing was just flaky. Well, I guess I'm back to bbedit for editing, and xcode for building. Bleh. A sad state of affairs. I only wished that Apple had simply purchased it so that they could integrate it into Xcode. (Or better still, offer it as an alternative IDE to wrap gcc.) Alas, the deed is done. I have been using Xcode 2 now for nearly a year now and am slowly getting adjusted to it. Key to my limited success so far has been in using the CodeWarrior-like "Condensed View" (their default and all-in-one view options are unacceptable). It allows me to have a separate project window, double-clicking each source file opens up in a separate window, etc. If you wish to do the same, remember to use the Metrowerks Compatible key bindings and shut off that damn Zero-Link setting. It still isn't as nice an environment. The header file drop down list (which took me a while to find) doesn't include system headers, you have to include the class headers (sometimes anyways), and the debugger is extremely limited in comparison. > http://www.eclipse.org ]. I am even told that Eclipse will wrap gcc > (the compiler on the Mac used for Xcode), so it might possibly give you > C++ capabilities too. That's the CDT plugin for Eclipse. It works rather well as long as what you developing is straight console applications (and you can stand MDI application; I just hate it). Getting, say, an OpenGL app to compile takes a bit more work. I haven't managed to compile projects that use custom libraries, but then I haven't tried very hard. Pros: - free - active community - Java and C++ - many more plugins in development - it's not going to disappear in the foreseable future Cons: - MDI - a very "busy" interface. Lots of space occupied by buttons that you use maby 0.01% of the time - does not seem to have anything equivalent to CW's source trees - as a consequence it seems that projects use a lot of hard paths and therefore cannot be moved around from one computer to another - it does not seem to be possible to make multi-target projects - getting the compiler to find the header files and libs you want it to use can be an exercise in frustration. I would be willing to put up with most of the cons if Eclipse had a non-MDI mode. jyh.  Signature===================================================================== jean-yves herve' /\ Department of Computer Science \/ e-mail --> jyh@cs.uri.edu and Statistics /\ University of Rhode Island \/ Tel. --> (401) 874-4400 Kingston, RI 02881-0816 /\ Fax. --> (401) 874-4617 USA \/ ===================================================================== |
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