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Desperately searching for CodeWarrior 9 Mac/Win

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ultimatewarrior - 11 Apr 2006 10:57 GMT
Hi All,
I'm desperately searching for CodeWarrior 9 Mac/Win. Given the fact
that Metrowerks is no more, I can't find it anywhere. So, I'm asking if
someone would be so kind to sell me (or to point me to someone that
can) a second-hand version of it. I'm interested in the dual Mac/Win
version, because I need to maintain a very old piece of code on Classic
(no Xcode, unfortunately) that must run on Win as well...
A very big thank you to everybody that could help me!!!

PS: I've already tried eBay, but I haven't found it... :(
Jonathan Hoyle - 11 Apr 2006 14:57 GMT
PCMall appears to have it:

CodeWarrior Dev Studio for Mac OS v9/OSX/Windows
http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=343543
$478.99
Andy Bettis - 11 Apr 2006 15:53 GMT
Just out of curiosity, is there any legal reason why somebody can't just
give away a copy of their version?

Rev. Andy
ultimatewarrior - 11 Apr 2006 16:23 GMT
Andy Bettis ha scritto:

> Just out of curiosity, is there any legal reason why somebody can't just
> give away a copy of their version?

Well, of course if somebody is willing to sell it, there is absolutely
no legal reason preventing him/her to do so (and, frankly speaking, I'd
prefer to buy a second-hand version, given the fact that I'll use it
only for a very particular project and probably I won't use CW anymore
- I'm beginning to get used to Xcode2, now)...
...another thing is, of course, simply "giving it away". I dunno about
this point, because it's really abandonware, so probably it's like any
other issue about abandonware - it's not exactly legal to give it away,
but there isn't anymore a company behind interested in developing and
selling it so you're not harming anyone (and noone will complain if you
do so)...
Jonathan Hoyle - 11 Apr 2006 18:47 GMT
>> Just out of curiosity, is there any legal reason why somebody
>> can't just give away a copy of their version?

Give away *a copy*?  Yes, there are legal reasons why that is not
permitted, even if the product is dead.  Giving away the entire
product, including manuals or existing backups, of course is legal (or
selling it for that matter).  It's usually a good idea to go through
Metrowerks to do this, so that any remaining support available can be
transferred, but there is no legal requirement for this.

With the large number of defections from CodeWarrior to Xcode (due to
the Intel fiasco), I should think there will be a large number of
ex-CodeWarrior users willing to sell or give away their versions.
Frankly, I think most of them don't bother posting since it does not
occur to them that there are any takers out there.

In practice though, I would highly doubt that many companies would
bother pursuing the pirating of discontinued products.  In the case of
Metrowerks (or Freescale, as the "Metrowerks" name is being debranded),
they are no longer in the Mac or Windows markets at all any longer.
Typically, a company will spend money on piracy prevention to stop
potential sales losses.  With Mac & Windows sales of $0 moving forward,
there is not a strong business case here (although they would be in
their legal rights to do so, if they so chose).

As an aside, it appears that Metrowerks is still technically selling
version 10 for the Mac.  They had previously announced that they would
cease selling the Mac version as of the end of March.  One optimistic
(and unlikely) possibility is that CodeWarrior/Mac sales are so brisk
that they have chosen to extend the offer.  A more likely scenario is
that no sales have been made in several weeks, and upper management at
Freescale simply have forgotten that the associated web page even
exists.

With Apple's irreversible move to Intel, and CodeWarrior's inability to
create Intel native code (or even debug on Macintels), the question is
not: Is legal to give away a copy?  The question is: Why would you want
such a copy anyway?  Would it not be better to simply take your project
and source files and convert them into Xcode and Visual C++?
ultimatewarrior - 11 Apr 2006 20:47 GMT
@Jonathan:

I'm sorry if, as it seems, I was not clear enough in my previous post,
but the answer to your question ("why would you want such a copy
anyway") is that I need to work on an old project that must run on
Classic and Win2000. Xcode is not a viable solution here. BTW, the
project is already a CW9 one, so even if it's of course possible
(though time-consuming) to move it to VC++ for the Windows version,
still I need a solution for the Classic side...

This is one of the reasons by which I'd prefer to get a second-hand
(and cheaper) version of this dev tool, instead that buying a complete
brand new one, because it's a "dead" dev system and I need it ONLY for
this very project, after which I'd probably make little or no use of
it...

About all the other points in your answer, I agree 100% with you.
ultimatewarrior - 11 Apr 2006 16:07 GMT
Thank you very much! I've sent them an email to ask if I can buy it
outside US (I'm in Italy) because I've the impression that they only
sell product in the US...
spammage - 12 Apr 2006 17:59 GMT
> Hi All,
> I'm desperately searching for CodeWarrior 9 Mac/Win. Given the fact
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>
> PS: I've already tried eBay, but I haven't found it... :(

You should try emailing desktop@metrowerks.com. They may be able to help?
Jonathan Hoyle - 12 Apr 2006 18:53 GMT
>> You should try emailing desktop@metrowerks.com. They may be
>> able to help?

Not likely.

By contract with Nokia, Freescale is not allowed to sell any more
copies of the Windows version of CodeWarrior.  As for the mac version,
they have announced that they are ceasing selling that one too.  Ebay
or stores which still happen to have a few in stock remain hi best
options moving forward.

Jonathan Hoyle
 
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