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Mac Forum / Programming / CodeWarrior / December 2005CodeWarrior 10 release information
CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10 Available only as a Download version has two versions A free Special Edition allows for students and hobbyist to use CodeWarrior with a limited usage license, with no technical support The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and handling and applicable taxes) and will allow all former Macintosh developers to update and archive their Mach-O and CFM/ PEF projects. Detailed Features General * Mac OS X hosted * Targets: Mac OS X (Mach-O) and Classic Mac OS (PEF) * PowerPlant X C++ Framework for Mac OS X development with Carbon Events, HIViews and Unicode support Integrated Development Environment (IDE) * Text-based xml projects (optional via user preference) * Packager support updated so that it is no longer necessary to make changes for packaging in multiple targets - added ability to have a master packaging target to perform common package actions Power Plant * PPx can now directly deal with .nib files * PPx can deal with SearchField, SegmentedView, TextView (HIView-savvy replacement for MLTEView), and UserPane * New PPx wrappers for CGClorSpace, CGDataProvider, and CGImage * Enhanced support for the DataBrowser control * PPxNavServices allows the addition of custom filter and preview callbacks * PowerPlant, PowerPlant X, and Constructor will be put into open source. C/C++ PowerPC Compiler 4.0 * New interprocedural analysis (IPA) for file level or whole program optimizations * Modified inliner for true bottom-up inlining when using IPA * Improved template instantiation error messages * Updated POD detection to conform to C++03 standard * Support for out-of-line defined partial class template specializations Metrowerks Standard Library 11.0 * Implemented "safer" (a.k.a. "secure") library extensions being proposed by the C0x working group * Added a number of common POSIX reentrant functions for PEF programming (asctime_r, ctime_r, localtime_r, gmtime_r, rand_r, readdir_r, strerror_r, strtok_r) * Uses a couple more Mach-O system functions for faster memcpy, memmove, memset, memchr, and memcmp * Mach-O Dynamic library for MSL C & MSL C++ * Fix for static destructors not working from bundles - even when building with BSD C or using the gcc compiler * Added ability to use move semantics (rvalue reference) for drastic (revolutionary!) performance increases * Added <bind> and mem_fn from the C++ TR1 addendum * When using MSL C++ on top of BSD C (Mach-O), the standard MSL C++ headers import items from the global namespace into the std namespace System Requirements - Mac OS X v10.2.x or newer - PowerPC G3 or greater (G4 recommended) - 128 MB RAM - 800 MB recommended for full installation  SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com FWIW, I have got the CW 9 x86 compiler stuff working in CW 10 for those that are interested. Aside from just copying files from 9 to 10, there's some changes needed in MSL_Common/Include/extras_time.h. - remove all occurances of __std( ) leave whats between the parenthesis of course. - just under _MSL_BEGIN_EXTERN_C add: #if _MSL_TIME_T_AVAILABLE #ifndef _MSL_TIME_T_DEFINED typedef long time_t; #define _MSL_TIME_T_DEFINED #endif #endif The few projects i tried appeared to compile/work fine after that. > FWIW, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The few projects i tried appeared to compile/work fine after that. Thanks Brandon, I was just about to ask that. Where did you get it? MW's website doesn't seem to be updated yet (couldn't find it under Downloads or Desktop tools, at least.) Is CW10 any more stable than CW9? I had a lot more trouble with 9 than 8, was hoping for things to improve. http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10 I got the link from macnn.com, though you're right, its not easily visible from the MW site itself. The product links still point to v9 it looks like. Anyhow, I can't really tell a difference just yet. I mostly use CW for my Windows work at the moment. I was looking mainly to see if there were any major IDE improvements. The only stumbling block i've had with it at this point is that despite the Win32Debugger plugin being present, i can't add remote debugging targets for anything other than MetroNub. Not sure if its a trial vs. pro thing though. I'm just checking out the trial for the moment before i drop any cash. > http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10 > > I got the link from macnn.com, though you're right, its not easily > visible from the MW site itself. The product links still point to v9 > it looks like. Did you manage to register/activate OK ? I just went through the process and (a) the activation page said it was for CW 9, not CW 10 (I'm assuming this is just a typo?) and more importantly (b) I haven't received the activation code via email yet, so I'm just sitting here in limbo until it arrives. Paul >> http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >importantly (b) I haven't received the activation code via email yet, so >I'm just sitting here in limbo until it arrives. if you did not get a serial number with your order (the early orders did not have this) then send a copy of your invoice (email message) to license@metrowerks.com I'll have the activation page updated soon, to shed it of the typo. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com Does the CW 10 fix the bug with too large sym files on windows? (The one where CW says, the sym file might be corrupted) Joachim Ante >Does the CW 10 fix the bug with too large sym files on windows? >(The one where CW says, the sym file might be corrupted) > >Joachim Ante CW 10 does not have any Windows tools, we sold that technology and have removed it from the last release of CW 9. (There is no Java either) Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > if you did not get a serial number with your order (the early orders did > not have this) then send a copy of your invoice (email message) to > license@metrowerks.com Hi Ron - Thanks - I did eventually receive an activation code (it took a couple of hours and then it got caught in Mail's junk filter). *However*, I just upgraded to a shiny new PowerBook yesterday and when I copied over CW10 to the new machine (including license.dat of course) it seems that it needs to activated again. The old activation code won't work, so preumably I have to contact MetroWerks and explain the situation and get a new activation code. This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain (and the obvious fact that their support for Mac will end completely in the not too distant future) there's a very real possbility that people such as me with legacy CW projects will be hosed if/when we need to move to a new machine and can no longer get a new activation code ? Paul >> if you did not get a serial number with your order (the early orders did >> not have this) then send a copy of your invoice (email message) to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > copied over CW10 to the new machine (including license.dat of course) >it seems that it needs to activated again. i think the trick is to install it on the new machine and then once that license.dat file is generated replace it with the one from your other machine. One other person I know of had the same problem. If trashing it, doing an install, selecting register later, closing CW and replacing the license.dat file does not solve this write directly to me. >The old activation code >won't work, so preumably I have to contact MetroWerks and explain the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >hosed if/when we need to move to a new machine and can no longer get a >new activation code ? This is not tied to any machine so it should not require a second license but even if Metrowerks goes away, Freescale will remain as will the licensing department. I hope that alleviates your concerns. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > i think the trick is to install it on the new machine and then once that > license.dat file is generated replace it with the one from your other [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I hope that alleviates your concerns. I'm not sure what's changed between 9.x and 10.0, but what I noticed today was that while 9.x copied over to the new machine OK along with its license.dat and everything was hunky dory, 10.0 complained and needed to be re-activated. I can only guess that someone at MW made the decision to beef up the activation mechanism on 10.0 so that it's tied to a particualr machine ? Fortunately the nice people at license@metrowerks.com sent me a new activation code in a timely fashion but I can envision a time in the not too distant where there won't be anyone to bail me out in a similar situation. Regards, Paul My license never worked, even though I only have one machine. Ron had to send me one to get CW 10 to recognize it wasn't in demo mode. I think they have a bug somewhere. Larry >I'm not sure what's changed between 9.x and 10.0, but what I noticed >today was that while 9.x copied over to the new machine OK along with >its license.dat and everything was hunky dory, 10.0 complained and >needed to be re-activated. I can only guess that someone at MW made the >decision to beef up the activation mechanism on 10.0 so that it's tied >to a particualr machine ? Fortunately the nice people at What we are thinking now it has to do with CW 9 being installed and the OS finding the wrong license.dat file. Did you have CW 9 installed on the second system you installed on? We looked at the license and they seem to be fine. We are working on it. >but I can envision a time in the not too distant where there won't be >anyone to bail me out in a similar situation. Although the name Metrowerks has gone in favor of CodeWarrior there should be a license department at Freescale for many years to come. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > What we are thinking now it has to do with CW 9 being installed and the > OS finding the wrong license.dat file. Did you have CW 9 installed on > the second system you installed on? We looked at the license and they > seem to be fine. We are working on it. Yes, I had 9.6 and 10.0 installed and working on the old system and I copied them both over together to the new system at the same time. 9.6 worked OK but 10.0 claimed that it needed to be activated again. I have to say that I can't understand why 10.0 would be finding 9.6's license file though - the license.dat file is in a specific place in the relevant CW directory so I can't see how they would get confused ? > Although the name Metrowerks has gone in favor of CodeWarrior there > should be a license department at Freescale for many years to come. I hope so. I imagine that I'll probably need to use CW from time to time for the next 2 - 3 years, maybe longer. I guess if/when MetroWerks closes down copletely somebody with the relevant reverse engineering skills will find a way to defeat the license mechanism so that people can go on using CW if they need to. Regards, Paul >I have to say that I can't understand why 10.0 would be finding 9.6's >license file though - the license.dat file is in a specific place in the >relevant CW directory so I can't see how they would get confused ? It is finding some cache using a generic license fixes the problem. >I hope so. I imagine that I'll probably need to use CW from time to time >for the next 2 - 3 years, maybe longer. I guess if/when MetroWerks >closes down copletely somebody with the relevant reverse engineering >skills will find a way to defeat the license mechanism so that people >can go on using CW if they need to. Metrowerks is Freescale and it is a growing business there is no need to worry about the licensing mechanism Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com >This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that >with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain They killed MW as a legal entity, took down the sign and had a wake. What exactly is uncertain? ;-) Larry >>This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that >>with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain > > They killed MW as a legal entity, took down the sign and had a wake. > What exactly is uncertain? ;-) Sorry - it's the British tendecy towards understatement. ;-) Paul >>This in itself is moderately frustrating but what /really/ worries me is that >>with MetroWerks' future being somewhat uncertain > >They killed MW as a legal entity, took down the sign and had a wake. >What exactly is uncertain? ;-) That was a tongue in cheek wake a reason to have a party. Metrowerks still lives and indeed this release is a Metrowerks brand. But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last version and will only be sold for a limited time. This is a version designed just to be low cost and give everyone that has a project made with CodeWarrior a chance to bring it up to the latest release and make it as stable as possible. While this isn't a gift to the developers community we do not expect to make money on this release. We are trying to do what is right for our customers that have been loyal for many years. If this hasn't been expressed clearly I apologize. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > ... >But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last >version and will only be sold for a limited time. ... How limited is "for a limited time"? There's no mention of a time limit on http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10 Signature-- Rod -- rodd(at)polylogics(dot)com >> ... >>But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last >>version and will only be sold for a limited time. ... > >How limited is "for a limited time"? the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before that time. This should not be news to anyone. >There's no mention of a time limit on >http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10 I'll post a notice at least 3 months before we discontinue sales. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com >>> ... >>>But the future of CodeWarrior for Mac is not uncertain this is the last [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I'll post a notice at least 3 months before we discontinue sales. Does that mean there won't be a 10.1 ? Paul What would you expect them to do for a 10.1 release? 10.0.1 maybe, but don't expect 10.1. This is a dead end product. The only reason we have it at all as far as I can tell is that they had already done a lot of it when Apple announced the switch to Intel, so they decided to finish what they could and sell it cheap. They'll probably fix some bugs, but that's about it. Larry > What would you expect them to do for a 10.1 release? 10.0.1 maybe, but > don't expect 10.1. This is a dead end product. The only reason we have > it at all as far as I can tell is that they had already done a lot of > it when Apple announced the switch to Intel, so they decided to finish > what they could and sell it cheap. They'll probably fix some bugs, but > that's about it. I don't care what the version number is, but I would like to see majpr bugs fixed (including the broken license activation code, which should probably be removed altogether) before they finally pull the plug. Paul That's not a 10.x release, that's a 10.0.x release. You asked about a 10.1 version, which would be more than bug fixes. What you care about notwithstanding, it would be useful if you asked what you really wanted to know, and what you wanted to know if there will be additional releases to fix bugs. I expect they will be willing to fix bugs for at least a few months, so more than ever if you see a bug you want fixed, report it ASAP and definitely don't wait for someone else to report it. Larry >Does that mean there won't be a 10.1 ? There is none planned, but then updates are never planned are they. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time > we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before > that time. This should not be news to anyone. Well, can you still keep a copy on a public ftp server with a free activation code? I don't really like the idea of being without a working compiler somewhere next year. PS: And you may look for my email to sales@metrowerks.com as I need a new activation code. Mfg Christian SignatureAround ten thousand functions in one REALbasic plug-in. The MBS Plugin. <http://www.monkeybreadsoftware.de/realbasic/plugins.shtml> I burned a CD with a copy of the disk image. If you have a working license I'd put that on there too. Larry >> the plan is to discontinue this in the spring of next year, at that time >> we will stop sales totally. We will discontinue direct support before >> that time. This should not be news to anyone. > >Well, can you still keep a copy on a public ftp server with a free >activation code? Probably not, for several reasons. >I don't really like the idea of being without a working compiler >somewhere next year. Be sure to archive the license.dat file >PS: And you may look for my email to sales@metrowerks.com as I need a >new activation code. Write to desktop, or license not sales. That address should have been changed sales will get you a reply but not as quickly as desktop or license. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com >> http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/mac10 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > importantly (b) I haven't received the activation code via email yet, so > I'm just sitting here in limbo until it arrives. Just to follow up on this - the activation code eventually arrived after a couple of hours, and it did actually work (despite the CW 9 typo on the registration WWW page). It got caught by OS X Mail's spam filter though, so that's something to watch out for. Paul >Where did you get it? MW's website doesn't seem to be updated yet (couldn't >find it under Downloads or Desktop tools, at least.) It is on the store, we are updating the Mac web page but that may take a bit. The free one isn't appearing yet but will soon. If you have web caching on be sure to refresh the page. http://store.metrowerks.com >Is CW10 any more stable than CW9? I had a lot more trouble with 9 than 8, >was hoping for things to improve. If you have more problems with CW 9 than CW 8 you probably have something set up incorrectly. There was a bug in framework access paths in CW 8 that would cause problems in CW 9 when you updated a project it could be something like that. (just guessing without knowing the exact problem). Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10 > Available only as a Download version has two versions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The CodeWarrior Professional download is only $99 (plus shipping and > handling <snip> OK, I *HAVE* to know... What miserable money-grubbing sack of crap came up with the idea of charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get??? SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >> CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10 >> Available only as a Download version has two versions [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is >going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get??? There is no shipping and handling fee. I did not know if our fulfillment house had a charge or not when I wrote that. Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com > >> CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10 > >> Available only as a Download version has two versions [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ron Hokay, I can buy that explanation. The concept of "shipping and handling" being charged on a downloaded software package strikes me as being quite possibly the most blatantly slime-bagish thing I've ever encountered. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info > What miserable money-grubbing sack of crap came up with the idea of > charging "shipping and handling" fees for something that the buyer is > going to do all the work of "shipping and handling" to get??? The shipping and handling is free, so you can stop being indignant now. ;-) Larry Does this release address the problem where, for various reasons, the debugger declines to display source code? See thread of 13 July 05 titled "No source visible in debugger" <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior/browse_frm/th read/b3686882cf1c7946> Thanks, George Touchstone Sacramento Software Works Ron in the help it talks about using "Makefile Importer Wizard" to create a project. I followed the steps but do not see that anywhere, where can I get access to that? Herb >Ron in the help it talks about using "Makefile Importer Wizard" to >create a project. I followed the steps but do not see that anywhere, >where can I get access to that? this is a bug in the help it does not apply to Mac products Ron SignatureCodeWarrior Community Forum is a free online resource for developers to discuss CodeWarrior topics with other users and our staff -- http://www.codewarrior.com/community -- Ron Liechty - ron.liechty@freescale.com - http://www.codewarrior.com Pleaaase! For Mac OS v10??? Why pay when Apple's tools are free! Not only that, CW was always a piece of sh.t... I remember the old days... it generated crap, not code.... > CodeWarrior Development Studio for Mac OS v10 > Available only as a Download version has two versions [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > - 128 MB RAM > - 800 MB recommended for full installation > Pleaaase! For Mac OS v10??? Why pay when Apple's tools are free! Idiots ask questions like this. Amorized over a year's time or so, the cost of a pre-10 CW update was < $1/day, which is insignificant to a professional wanting to use the most productive tool he can. I'm not advocating that people buy CW this late in the game, but the cost over the years has been well worth it to me to have something that is easier to use, compliles much faster, and has a superior STL for C++. A free tool I don't enjoy using is no bargain. The only real issue with paying for CW10 is that it appears to be completely unsupported. > Not only that, CW was always a piece of sh.t... I remember the old days... it > generated crap, not code.... I have no idea why you would post this, but it's only a bad reflection on you, not MW or CW. CW was the standard for Mac development for many years. Even Apple used until they came up with PB/Xcode. I still haven't heard anyone claiming that GCC generates better code. There are good reasons CW has met its demise, but the quality of the code it generated was not one of them. Larry |
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